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More Intriguing Stuff On The Jays’ Pursuit of Christian Yelich

I missed this stuff this morning, but I think it’s definitely worth your consideration:

Also:

I’m with BVH here in that this is precisely what you want to hear if you’re a fan of the Jays. The Jays may not exactly be a free-spending club, but their payroll is very healthy, and they damn well should be using whatever financial muscle they can afford to push around clubs trying to go cheap. This idea obviously wasn’t quite the same as the Drew Hutchison-Francisco Liriano deal, but the principle is similar: using another team’s desire for salary relief to make a favourable deal for themselves.

It’s a shame it didn’t work — to have acquired Yelich without giving up Vlad and Bo just because the Jays were willing to take on a bunch of salary in the form of someone like Martin Prado or Starlin Castro, either of whom would have had utility to the club anyway, would have been a serious coup — but given that the Marlins did so poorly, and looked such utter fucking shitheads, in essentially giving away Giancarlo Stanton for salary relief, one can understand why they didn’t. Miami actually did well in this one, unfortunately.

Gah!

And then, of course, we have the Morales thing. For those who don’t remember, last night Blair tweeted that he’d heard the Jays would be willing to deal Bo Bichette in the event that a team would take Kendrys Morales with him. I didn’t ever think that was about the Marlins, seeing as they’re clearly not looking to take money back.

Thing is, it, uh, didn’t really make any damn sense for the Jays to be doing that with any other club, either.

And I think what Mish is telling us about what the Jays were trying to do here suggests that we shouldn’t worry about it too much. The Jays wanting to get Morales off the books badly enough to be offering Bichette to anybody? Seems like the opposite might be true: they’d take money back to avoid losing a potential future cornerstone like that.

We obviously don’t know for sure what the Jays are really thinking — on this or any number of other things (like, was the availability Yelich a unique circumstance, or are the Jays still looking to add another outfielder? Is Kevin Pillar’s place on the roster safe?) — but it sure sounds OK to me. On this one, at least.

  • Norm Kelly

    I so hope we can get through the next two years until these two kids are on the Jays roster. They may not work out but I want the Jays to have the patience with them to find out..I also want them to get Barreto back from Oakland..lol

  • Voidhelix

    None of this means a damn thing. The contract they were ALLEGEDLY looking to take, had to have been Wei-Yin chen. Had 3 years and $52M, with a vesting option. Would be $10M for this season. But none of that matters. Because if Miami never even listened to offers that didn’t include Vlad, it’s all meaningless.

  • CM

    Ross, it’s not the try League it’s the get it done League! looking more closely at Yelich if you had to move Bo and something for him it would be ok too. Saw on MLB Network Yelich has the 4th highest OPS over the last few years for outfielders min 1200 abs after trout Harper someone Yelich then McCutcheon. he would look good in the 2 hole with Donaldson hitting behind him. proven star we’ll be happy if Bo turns out to be as good as Yelich

  • Knuckleballs

    I get the feeling Jeter is a DICK when it comes to dealings with the Jays. What I understand the top prospect from the Brewers he got ranked 14th on the top prospect list. If Shakins and company offered up Bo he Ranks 8th on the list and by that we have already beaten the Brew Crew and the willingness to take on salary, and throw in Pillar (replacement maybe for Yelich) on top of that was a win win for the Marlins. I do think the Jays had this one, but Jeter to me was being a dink. So at the end of the day it is what it is. I think the moves for sure have strengthen this team from injuries with built in depth, but does it make the team better than last year YES, but is it enough to win to get into a playoff run. I do not now, this is baseball anything is possible. Who nows the Yanks could fall on their face and be a 500 ball club this too. Time will tell.

  • Drunk Damaso Garcia

    Seeing as Blair & Shapiro get paid by the same company, I highly doubt JB’s intention was to bring heat down on Shapiro. In fact, Blair’s tweets after, were spin to try to deflect attention away, but unfortunately, the cat was out of the bag. I doubt MS is actively offering Bichette & KM in deals, but clearly he tried it in pursuit of Yelich, and the optics are terrible. This is no doubt a bitter pill to swallow if you are a Shapiro supporter, but it reveals unfortunately how clueless this management team is. They won’t last long. Nobody is fooled. The return of the flex packs is an ominous sign. Poor attendance will sink this crew.

        • Oakville Jays

          The new flex pack options were offered earlier this month . The new options are more generous to fans , which is an indication that ticket sales are not going as well as last year. Don’t forget that the Jays were able to sell season tickets & flex packs in 2017 in exchange for access to playoff tickets in 2016.

          • Nice Guy Eddie

            More Oakville Bullshit. The troll wrote that “the flex packs are back’. The old ‘flex packs’, which no major league teams sells because they’re small market giveaways, sold cheap tickets to any game you wanted in packs of 3, 6 or 12 games. Show me where you can buy flex packs to any games you want for 3, 6 or 12 games. Because if you can’t all you are doing is helping the troll ‘DrunkDG’ tell lies on the internet. It’s bad enough being called a ‘moron’ Oakville, don’t be a liar as well.

    • Oakville Jays

      It’s possible that Blair was reprimanded by Sportsnet for sending out the dumb tweet. It’s important that Sportsnet promote the team’s narrative that Grichuck & Granderson will be significant upgrades for the team.

      I think that I would rather have Yellich & Lorenzo Cain on the roster. It would make it far easier to sell tickets.
      It’s highly unlikely that the Jays will match last years pre season ticket sales of 2.5M .

          • GrumblePup

            But saying “important to promote the teams narrative that [they] are significant upgrades” is implying that he doesn’t think this is the case. As I the team is lying to us “again” (probably).
            Except they aren’t lying to us. They are upgrades. The team is better. The point of the offseason isn’t to win the division. The point is to improve the team from last year while still maintaining the prospect depth to be competitive in the future.

            Of course the team would have been even better with Yellich and/or caI’m, but that’s not the point. Especially since Cain decision was always out of the Jays hands (ie. He gets to choose who he plays for. Yes I know the Jays could sway his decision in their favour by offering more money, but after a certain dollar value, that becomes irresponsible). As for Yellich, giving up Vlad would be dumb. I’m glad they didn’t. Sure, maybe Vlad doesn’t pan out, but also he has their potential to be way better than Yellich. This is a “risk” that makes sense for the Jays to take.

            So fuck off with the whole “it’s not enough to move the needle” bullshit.

      • Drunk Damaso Garcia

        You can bet the Blair was reprimanded for accidentally telling the truth. His next three tweet were a massive backpedal. The optics of using Bo to dump Morales (on Miami for Yelich) were terrible. And an admission of a mistake.

  • Nice Guy Eddie

    MLBTR is suggesting that the Red Sox may need to go longer than 5 with J.D. Martinez, now that Cain has signed for 5. Here’s hoping so. I’d love to see the Red Sox shell out 7 years to a guy who’s already 30 and who’s a poor fielder already, to watch him try to leg out the rockets off of the Fenway wall that Price will be giving up, for years to come. By 2020 it could be a syndicated comedy act.

    • Torquemada

      Who is bidding against the Red Sox anyway? I haven’t even heard that “Mystery Team” is in the running. I don’t see how Cain’s signing changes anything for the Red Sox.

    • Wuckin'Pa'Nub

      What difference does it make if they wiff bad on big contracts ? They just spend their way out of it . Remember how much money they dumped to the dodgers in the AG /JB trade? Bad contracts don’t hamstring these types of clubs

      • Nice Guy Eddie

        A myth that exists only on Blue Jays boards. Along with the myth of the eccentric billionaire who’s waiting to buy the Jays so he can sign every ridiculous free agent deal some fans can think of, and the myth of the billion dollar TV contract that’s waiting in the wings. No team, including the Red Sox and the Yankees, want to exceed the luxury tax threshold. There is a revenue sharing consequence for doing so.

        • Oakville Jays

          You have to acknowledge that the Red Sox & Yankees have had higher payrolls than the Jays since 1993 & have made the playoffs more often than the Jays. They have exceeded the luxury threshold many times. The Jays have a larger fan base than the Red Sox or Yankees. There is no reason why the Jays can’t have a payroll at the luxury tax levels.

          Shapiro is taking the risk that reduced tickets sales in 2018 can be offset with lower payroll. He tried this strategy in Cleveland with the owner’s approval & the team flopped during most of his tenure.

          • Nice Guy Eddie

            The time to compete with Betts, Benintendi, Bradley, Boegarts, Devers, Judge, Sanchez, Bird – was in all the drafts that Alex Anthopoulos oversaw where Boston and New York stacked their rosters in the draft and Anthopoulos’ drafts haven’t produced a single major league position player except Kevin Pillar. Much of what he did draft – Syndergaard, Norris, Hoffman – was given away in one-sided trades for old pitchers, short term rentals and the Rockies’ salary dump. No FO is going to go out and buy a whole team on the free agent market to make up for the huge disparity between the drafting in New York and Boston on the one hand, and the drafting by Toronto from 2010 to 2015 on the other. Boston and New York built their teams with smart drafting and smart trades. They didnt trade guys like Kopech for rentals and washed up guys, they traded for Chris Sale on a team-friendly contract. They traded short term rentals like Chapman and Miller, they didnt trade for them. Same with Cleveland and Houston.

          • Betsy Murgatroyd

            “There is no reason why the Jays can’t have a payroll at the luxury tax levels.”

            The vast majority of the Jays’ revenue comes in Canadian dollars. In an industry that operates and pays in American. The exchange rate is our luxury tax.

    • Oakville Jays

      At least the Red Sox are more likely to make the playoffs in 2018 & 2018 than the Jays. It’s hilarious how Jays management has tried to convince fans that Grichuck, Granderson & Solarte are major upgrades to compete with the Yankees.

      • Drunk Damaso Garcia

        Bingo! BJ fans are pretty educated as far baseball. Poor attendance for so many years was a reflection of the product. Btw, it’s weird to me that on a BJs blog so much criticism is directed at fans? So little towards management/ownership? Shapiro is shockingly tone deaf. Atkins is… hilarious.

          • Drunk Damaso Garcia

            Because I’m not pro Shapiro, don’t slurp the pablum of BJ management I’m a “troll”? Get a grip. And maybe some anger management. I’m just as big a jays fan as you. Been going to games for over 20 years. I’ll be going to spring training too. Fyi. Being a fan isn’t about clapping like a seal to every dumb move the Cleveland crew makes. Get woke.

        • Oakville Jays

          The Al West traditionally a weaker division than the AL East. Shapiro had a poor track record in trying to win the AL Central division.

          It’s difficult to see how the current roster can win the AL East.

        • Oakville Jays

          I think it is easier for many bloggers to attack the fan base for not blindly supporting the new management’s roster moves. The new management was dealt a tough hand with having to replicate AA’s moves in 2015. Shapiro was able to make some good moves at the trade deadline in 2016 to allow the Jays to scrape through to a home wild card game. Shapiro’s roster decisions in 2017 resulted in a team that only scored 200 runs less than the 2015 team. Shapiro deserves credit for creating the High performance Department. Shapiro vetoed the recommendation of the High Performance Department to amputate Sanchez’s fingers that had blisters.

  • CM

    Oakville has a point. This regime is pretty conservative. If they aggressively offered to eat $ but wanted Yelich in the deal before the marlins could stumble through the Stanton salary dump they may have been able to do something. We’ll never know but Yelich pillar and Grichuk would be a decent outfield. Grichuk may hit 30 bombs this year. Yelich is a star, great eye, hit 3rd for leyland in the WBC. On the bright side mlb network said Vlad Jr has Miguel Cabrera ability and that there is no way he doesn’t hit big in the majors. Another panelist graded Vlad an 80 for hitting. They’ve never given out an 80 grade. Other top 3 ranked guys in prior years were trout Harper and Correa. Vlad will be a star. One guy said he joins his dad in the HOF. In 25 years.

    • Drunk Damaso Garcia

      I can’t figure out why they’d sign Carrera at $2m then Grandy at $5m when you’ve already got Pillar & Pearce (And are in process of adding Grichuk). Too many spare parts (platoon pieces). Not enough full time starting caliber guys, payroll used inefficiently. As one of my work colleagues put it: “they are running the team like it’s a Tim Hortons, everybody’s part time? Hardly any full timers.”

      • The Humungus

        Because the offseason isn’t over yet?

        Jesus fucking christ, people act like every transaction is the final transaction, and there aren’t still 9 weeks until opening day.

        Plus, the A’s made the playoffs a bunch by platooning guys in positions where they didn’t have all-stars. Cleveland has the highest % of plate appearances with a platoon advantage the last two years. This is a real thing in baseball.

        Hell, even the Jays made the playoffs in ’85 with platoons at C and 3B.

        If you can’t see what they’re doing, you’re either completely ignorant of how baseball works, or you’re blinded by an irrational hatred of the front office. Either way, I suggest you find a new sport. Like knitting.

        • Oakville Jays

          The Al West traditionally a weaker division than the AL East. Shapiro had a poor track record in trying to win the AL Central division.

          It’s difficult to see how the current roster can win the AL East.

          • The Humungus

            Right, but they’ve only said they want a roster that can compete. They’ve acknowledged the dearth of young talent. If you think they need to go out and spend on free agents, or trade what they do have in the minors, you’re an idiot. There isn’t enough there, or enough money for that.

            What’s so hard to understand about a team that’s operating with it’s hands tied. The Yankees have arguably 3 of their top 5 hitters, maybe more, making league minimum. The BoSox are paying less than $5M per guy this year to their entire OF, plus the left side of the IF and both C combined. Because that’s how player development orgs work.

            The Jays are trying to cobble together a lineup that has 5 guys who make more than 1/3 of mlb teams between them on a budget.

            Smarten the fuck up, or shut the fuck up.

  • HNZ

    LOL @ all the panicking fans in our city. please dont watch baseball if you cant handle ups and downs you guys sound like fucking morons right now. Yes the Yanks and Res Sox are stacked. That doesnt guarantee anything. Sanchez has had 1 great year then a medicore year. Judge once struggled then became a star the next year. Theres no guarantee those guys rake all year or at all in 2018. Shit happens. Climb away from the edge and breath. You make the game less enjoyable for the rest of the fans who have a grip on their feelings and emotions. I have deep deep sympathy for your spouses because if you guys freak out and panick like this in real life shit that matters….get a fucking grip!

    • Drunk Damaso Garcia

      Panic? Lol. ➡️ resignation. There’s about $10m left in the budget. No impact signings coming. Just more “depth” pieces. (Unless Rogers finds additional money ie Bautista signing last year. Seems Unlikely this time around). Hoping that Stanton & Judge don’t perform well this year seems like a pipe dream. Even if our pitching exceeds expectations, our high strikeout low batting avg lineup prob costs us a ton of low scoring games. Enjoying JDs final season as a Jay will prob be the highlight of the season.