Ross Atkins Had A Pointless Press Conference, Part Two: On Jay Bruce

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On Tuesday Ross Atkins held an utterly pointless press conference. Be sure to check out part one of my review, too!

Though ostensibly it was called to “discuss” the Jose Bautista situation following the slugger’s very public pronouncement on Monday about his unwillingness to negotiate after having told the Blue Jays how much it will take to keep him, what most pointless press conference in history would have been complete without the Jays’ GM also declining to comment on Monday night’s mass panic over his club possibly making a move for Cincinnati Reds outfielder Jay Bruce?

Hey, at least it was good GM-meets-the-media practice for Ross Atkins, which, let’s be honest, can’t exactly hurt.

The big thing about him declining to comment on any of the Bruce stuff, of course, is that we still have no idea what the hell the Jays were thinking pushing so hard for the guy. And his salary. And to give up a prospect to make it happen.

Yep, they were going to give up a prospect! Ken Rosenthal tweeted that the medicals on a Jays minor leaguer — and not Michael Saunders, as it was naturally assumed (though Bob Elliott has since said he keeps hearing that it was Saunders) — were what ultimately sunk the deal. Or at least this iteration of it.

The Jays have been trying to find a way to get Bruce for at least a few weeks now — I first heard a deal was close to completion about two weeks ago, but apparently that attempt also fell through — and though I said on Monday night that it was hard to really comment not knowing the financials or other players involved, we sure managed to say a lot!

And yet through it all, I don’t know that even the most ardent fans of Bruce — those who point out he is at least young enough, has enough power, and can have his two previous disastrous seasons attributed to a 2014 knee injury and a horrendous final two months of 2015 (he had a 122 wRC+ from a .260/.342/.493 line on August 1st, then hit .173/.214/.345 (41 wRC+) with a catastrophic .184 BABIP from there out), to not have totally lost hope in — were ready to accept the deal if it involved giving up a prospect. Especially if, as Jeff Blair suggested, Cincinnati wasn’t going to kick any money in, either.

The Jays were going to spend money! And a prospect! To upgrade from the uncertainty of Michael Saunders to the uncertainty of Jay Bruce!

It still seems crazy to me that the new front office feels that high on Bruce. They have had money and a willingness to deal from their depleted prospect stock to have used on literally anything else, and they think Bruce for Saunders was their best use of those resources???

True, he’s likely not as bad as the last two months of 2015 and the knee-injured 2014 have made him look, and unlike Saunders, if he had proved himself useful in the upcoming season he would have given them an option for 2017, and he’s going to at least stay on the field. But man… he’s been so bad!

At the end of the day, though, what this near miss gives us is, at the very least, more insight into how the philosophy of this front office differs from the one Alex Anthopoulos was running.

Though Anthopoulos put more of a premium on durability in the later years of his tenure, he was definitely more cavalier about it, and about depth in general, than it seems Atkins and Mark Shapiro. Case in point: Saunders himself, big bets on Josh Johnson and Jose Reyes, or starting the 2015 season with Aaron Sanchez and Dan Norris in the starting rotation, along with Miguel Castro and Dalton Pompey in key roles. If it wasn’t a full on Stars And Scrubs approach, it verged hard towards it.

With Shapiro and Atkins we’ve seen much more a focus on raising the floor rather than pushing for ceiling. That may be as much about the construction of the current roster as it is any deeply ingrained beliefs — there is plenty of top end talent here already, so filling out the margins and making sure they won’t be sunk by dreck makes sense — but the Bruce flirtation is more evidence to the contrary.

They really, really must be uncomfortable with the possibility of Saunders getting hurt and Pompey not being ready. I’ll take Bruce over Ezequiel Carrera, sure, but it’s not like Saunders never sees the field. Before his nine game 2015 he put in years of 93, 135, 139, 122, and 121 games, which is a pretty abysmal track record, but it’s not nothing. So maybe, knowing him better than anybody else, as they do, there’s something we’re not seeing — in the medicals or in what little performance they’ve seen — that makes them want to turn Saunders into anything they possibly can before his value (or his knee) turns to dust. Even if it’s just Jay Bruce.

But man… you had money to spend and this is what you want to do with it??!?

I mean, at least it wouldn’t have cost a draft pick like, say, Dexter Fowler, but still… really?

It would have been an interesting gamble, to say the least. And by the sounds of it, especially if it was the prospect and not Saunders whose medical nixed this one, it may still yet be. Gulp.

  • fastball

    Absolutely agree.
    Not sure where this obsessive man-love for Bruce comes from – I mean, he’s not a tremendous upgrade (or an even marginal one) from Saunders, if you factor in the defense as well as the offense. Especially not for triple the cost of Saunders.
    I mean, wouldn’t 9M have gone a ways in the bullpen? Hell, put it in the Jose kittyfund.

  • lil eddie

    the only sense i can make of it is that bruce is now 2 years removed from his meniscus surgery and saunders is 1. maybe there is some evidence that it takes that long to regain full strength and they think bruce will revert to his prior form while saunders will take another year?

    if 10schmill is give or take what we have left, i’d save the money for the deadline when we know what the needs will be for the pennant run and bullpen pieces come pretty cheap from teams that are out of it. by then pompey will probably be ready to take over anyways.

    • DAKINS

      A meniscus repair is only a 4-6 week recovery to pre-injury strength and stability though. Sure it may have some lingering affect, but it’s not a major injury that should require such a long performance downturn.

      That said, with Saunders being shut down for the whole season, there might be something else going on with him. I’m only familiar with repair though, not complete removal.

  • RandyKnorr

    The one thing I take issue with around the speculation about this rumoured trade is that we really don’t know what was on the table. We don’t know who the prospect was, and outside of the Blair comment, don’t know that the Reds weren’t offering any salary relief.

    Bruce has obviously been pretty bad, or at the very least nowhere near worth his contract, for most of the past 2 seasons, but he is still an interesting buy-low candidate at some price. Between injuries and a low BABIP, it wouldn’t surprise me if Bruce is a 2-3 WAR player in 2016. PECOTA is surprisingly high on him for 2016: 2.1 WAR projected with his 70% percentile outcome at 3 WaR.

    I guess what I am saying, and maybe I’m the odd man out, but there is some iteration of a Jay Bruce for Michael Saunders (involving a Jays “C” or “D” prospect and getting some salary relief) trade that absolutely makes sense to me, especially looking to 2017.

  • Cdnbeermaven

    I usually like the Sportsfeld podcast but they were so high on Jay Bruce!? As if his 10 million dollar difference didn’t matter. Ugh.

    I was really glad this trade didn’t happen, the Jays already have a left fielder AND a backup left fielder. Use those assets for something else… an Edwin fund perhaps?

    • Steve-O

      ROGERS EXEC: “Sorry Shapiro, the Canadian hockey teams stunk it up last year so we can’t bump payroll.”

      SHAPIRO: “But but but… we set attendance records, sold tons of merchandise, and won a World Series! Revenues are through the roof!”

      ROGERS EXEC: “Yeah, sorry about that. Better hope the Leafs or Canucks turn it around next year. LOL who am I kidding, better tear the team down. Hey maybe list those banners on eBay, see what you can get for ’em. Tough times… tough times.”

      Nope, writing it down still didn’t help it make any sense.

      • OakvilleJays

        Rogers puts all the broadcast revenues & expenses in one division. The decline in advertising revenues from lower TV ratings won’t offset any gains in advertising revenues from the Jays.

        Rogers may decide to not allocate any more money to the entertainment division.

        They don’t seem to care about whether or not the Jays would have higher revenue with a more competitive team.

        In fact, some Rogers executives may go so far as to cut funding for the Jays since having them being competitive from April-June & in October would cut into advertising revenues from hockey!

        You have to remember that this company spent $5Bln on hockey tv rights without controlling any of the teams performances. They only own 37.5% of the Leafs.

        • Steve-O

          In fact, some Rogers executives may go so far as to cut funding for the Jays since having them being competitive from April-June & in October would cut into advertising revenues from hockey!

          LOL

    • Bad Dabbler

      yet in a year when a bunch of canadian teams DO make the playoffs, the concept that the Jays payroll could go up would be laughed at as ludicrious and we’d be instructed that is NOT how corporate owned teams work.

  • Vermin Wells

    I’ve seen the value of a comp. pick pegged at somewhere near $10M. Lots of room for argument in that number, of course. But I would bet that Dexter Fowler makes that price look like a bargain compared to the relative cost of Jay Bruce in the next couple years. I think the O’s did well, assuming they get that deal done.